As REN TV broadcast flat things about the Earth, and Prokopenko TEFI received
On September 25, 2017, the REN TV federal television channel broadcast a program dedicated to the theory of a flat earth, and already on October 3, Igor Prokopenko received the TEFI award for the Military Secret program in the Educational program category. The transmission under consideration belongs to the cycle of Igor Prokopenko’s programs “The Most Shocking Hypotheses”.
→ YouTube program release
Written here, of course, will not come as a surprise to most readers, because the name of the channel itself has long been a meme, but still I decided to analyze this issue in detail, given that at the moment there are too many people who have succumbed to the influence of such a sect-like phenomenon as the theory of a flat earth in the 21st century for various reasons.
And it should be especially noted that the aggravation began long before memes with a schoolboy.
Also, contrary to popular belief, most adherents of the theory of a flat Earth are not trolls, everything is much sadder.
Before proceeding to a detailed analysis of this masterpiece, based on a comparison of the information and my personal understanding of the topics under discussion, I propose to get acquainted with the actors who will educate us throughout the program.
First, get acquainted with the Russian researchers invited to the broadcast.
We will get to know the rest in the process.
According to REN TV:
In the real world:
Pavel Sviridov, perhaps, really is a candidate of technical sciences. So, at least, it is written on his own site, but there is no data on his scientific activity.
According to REN TV:
In the real world:
Unfortunately, nothing was found about the archaeological activities of Vadim. In general, there is very little information about this person on the network, but judging by his VK page, if she is not fake, then he is apparently a fan of Diana Shurygina, as well as conspiracy theories.
According to REN TV:
In the real world:
I could not find evidence of Andrei’s activity as a popularizer of science. The main activity is astrology.
As you can see, the kind of activity of these characters promises us full competence, an adequate assessment and reasonably logical reasoning in areas to which they are not related.
Screensaver.
Go!
0:43
The head of the Juno mission is Scott Bolton.
1:24
Former NASA employee, medicine man, carpenter, doctor, engineer, architect, and just comedian Matt Boylan.
In fact, the attitude of the person in the frame to NASA is known only from his words. There is no reliable evidence that he is a former NASA employee (at least, I could not find those). But I managed to find performances as a stand-up comedian.
Also, according to information from the network, he also positions himself as a composer, chemist, herbal medicine consultant, engineer, architect, interior designer, carpenter, portrait painter, doctor, scientist, political expert and historian.
It’s more like a resume of some talk show regulars on our television, or a resume of another “expert” with REN TV.
Accordingly, I will not consider this part of the program about his revelations in detail for lack of semantic load.
ten past three
Dave Murphy There is information that he started as a graphic designer, animator and programmer, and ends as a conspiracy theorist. He
himself calls himself a former researcher (in a letter to Neil Degrass Tyson), but there is no relation to any scientific field in his biography. Yes, and an amateur physicist, this is probably the physicist who denies the existence of gravity, and does not understand how and why planes fly.
It's funny enough that in this program we are offered the opinion of some people, supposedly from science. In fact, there is no information about their scientific activities. Nuuuu ... or the matrix blocked me Google.
4:58
I’m not competent enough in ballistics, apparently, therefore, I am not invited to REN TV as an expert, but the data found contradicts the statements in the program. Artillery apparently still sometimes takes into account the curvature of the Earth. It is celebrated in the English article on Wikipedia. If for some people the Wikipedia article is not a source to be trusted, then similar information regarding accounting for Earth curvature is also found in some other sources. You can also get acquainted with the data regarding the accounting for the Earth's rounding in ballistics, for example, in this book starting on page 493:
Screenshot from the book Exterior Ballistics
In general, as I understand it, this is a minor factor affecting accuracy, because there are more significant factors of influence.
5:33
It's a lie.
This manual from the official website of the US Marine Corps contains a description of the effects that affect, as well as adjustment tables due to the rotation of the Earth:
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/mcwp3_16_4.pdf
It’s also been worth reading “Basics of bombing » To the end, and not tear out the words out of context.
From page 180, a fascinating acquaintance begins with what is not available according to REN TV and the flat-earths.
5:53
Yes, it’s relatively flat, only the natural rounding of the Earth, even on the salt marsh, has not been canceled, but we don’t provide evidence to the contrary.
By the way, there is an article from Nature magazine, including one that says that the salt marsh is not so flat, although the differences in height are insignificant.
www.nature.com/news/2007/071130/full/news.2007.315.html
6:47 a.m.
As you can see, the Earth is really flat, because the foundations of the buildings are not visible. Although ... it is possible that part of the city is underwater.
We are not given any facts in favor of the reality of the distance of 140 km from which the survey was carried out, nor are there any data on the height of the observer and weather conditions.
And it’s not a fact that shooting in the REN TV video sequence was positioned in the midst of flat-land users.
But try to find these shootings of Chicago from 140 km. What are they talking about? Googling, I came to the conclusion that this photo is meant. This was stated by a lonely post on Picaba (strange, such an epic shooting worthy of mention on TV, but in fact a photo that someone called so).
Photo of Chicago allegedly from 140km. As we see the mirage is still present.
But, finding real data was not difficult. The author’s Facebook published time-laps that contains this frame.
The location is - Warren Dunes State Park.
Check the distance from there to the skyscrapers. It turns out something about 86 km. Ok, round off. Let it be 90 km.
There is a simulation of Chicago's visibility on a spherical Earth, in which you can choose the distance, height of the observer, etc., if desired, refraction can also be used in the simulation (it is responsible for the mirage).
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat-Earth%3A+Finding+the+curvature+of+the+Earth
By the way, in the park from which there was a survey there are several rather high sand dunes, the highest of which reaches a height of 73 meters. In the description of the video, the author wrote that it was taken from the top of the dune (but not the fact that this particular one).
The highest point of Warren Dunes State Park.
So let's get on it virtually and climb up! And since we climbed high, and not the fact that we shot it from this dune, we sacrifice a mirage and set standard refraction.
We get this view:
Simulation of the city view (the height of the tallest tower in Chicago was taken into account), from a distance of 90 km, a height of 73 meters, with standard refraction and a focal length of the lens 500 mm (the larger, the larger the city). On the right is the spherical Earth. On the left is flat.
As you can see, Chicago can be observed from such a distance on a spherical Earth with the help of optics (the author said that from the top of the dune under the right weather conditions everything is visible without the help of a camera). Moreover, we did not resort to strong refraction as in the photo, and the exact terrain was not taken into account either. buildings can be located on a hill. You can spin the simulation yourself, and “raise” the city even higher.
Perhaps, under special weather conditions, and even from a great height, it will be possible to see the tops of skyscrapers from 140 km away. But REN TV didn’t show us the shooting from 140 km, and the flat-land planners, as I understand it, “feed” on this particular photo with 90 km. And since we do not have data for simulation, we will not invent it. Anyway, masons came up with simulations.
I completely forgot ...
ha ha ha
7:11 a.m.
Rounding is visible from very high heights, but it is weakly expressed in the images. To make sure of this, the simulation will help us again . You can simulate the desired type of optics and height, thereby checking the rounding. Even on those shootings where at first glance the horizon looks flat, in fact it is not.
The video arguments of flatteners from the Internet become convex when compressed along the length. Of course, no one has canceled the distortion, but to say that the bulge is a plane is stupid enough, especially considering that even without compression, the horizon sometimes does not look even in such videos.
Examples from the video from the Union and the stratospheric jump are also incorrect, because the optics used, and indeed the space that the Earth occupies in the frame, do not allow to visually evaluate the rounding due to the large radius of the Earth. Moreover, in one of the frames of the video of the stratospheric jump, the Earth looks more concave than flat in general (an excellent move is to talk about distortions of optics and give frames as distortions, but the opposite).
9 a.m.
Apparently, this "scientist" is not aware that the Hubble telescope is not equipped with equipment that allows broadcasting live.
Regarding the impossibility of shooting the Earth with this telescope, there is an official statement for everyone who does not particularly understand the photography and the capabilities of various spacecraft.
hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=78&cat=topten
The minimum exposure time of the Hubble telescope is 0.1 second. During this time, the telescope moves 700 meters relative to the planet, respectively, all images will be blurred. Obviously, such a survey is completely impractical.
9:23
This is about the same weight category of nonsense as the surprise that the Moon taken from the Earth to the phone’s camera doesn’t look very impressive, unlike shooting with telephoto lenses.
I think REN TV operators understand why this happens better than Murphy and the “scientists”, however, like every sane person familiar with photo / video equipment. Accordingly, here - complete ignorance and incompetence on the part of the "scientist".
Just leave it here.
As an example, at 9:38, we are shown a picture of Lunar Orbiter 1, comparing it with a picture from the lunar surface and a picture from the lunar orbit.
This effect is very well explained here .
10:03
Again, here the complete incompetence of the archaeologist in this matter, it is no longer surprising. This effect is perfectly demonstrated in this video using an example of a globe, and depends on the same focal length and distance to the object.
Moreover, a fairly well-known image of the Earth , on which America visually occupies a larger area than we are used to seeing, is a composite image obtained from a fairly close distance in space standards. I will not consider it deeper, because REN TV did not show us it.
11:27
Apparently, Igor Prokopenko is not from our planet because:
Igor Prokopenko says: “Where is the truth?” The truth is clearly not in his speech. Not distinguishing an asteroid from a meteorite is somehow quite weak for the owner of TEFI as the country's main enlightener.
12:23
That same card.
This map is a polar azimuthal projection, namely, a scan of a sphere with a north pole in the center. It has terrible distortions in the southern regions. Distortions can be estimated on a similar projection, but calculated having the south pole in the center instead of the north one on the map which Paul follows.
Polar azimuthal projection with the south pole in the center. The habitual territories of the northern hemisphere (in the real world) are distorted in exactly the same way as the southern ones on the “map of land plowers”. Flat-land owners from the southern hemisphere will definitely like it.
Both cards, of course, are real maps of the Earth, but none of them confirms the plane of our planet, just like a star-shaped map does not mean that our planet is actually star-shaped, and the evil Masonic-Illuminati Sinoists hide this .
Berghaus' star-shaped projection It is
noteworthy that this kind of projection
should be noted that distortions on the same azimuthal projection, of course, disappear when projected back onto the sphere.
A clear demonstration of the distortion of the azimuthal projection.
In general, a disastrous opinion as a candidate of science is enough, isn't it?
12:36
J. Bush Sr. behind whom the astronaut on a checkered background is visible on the screen.
As far as I know, for the first time this was discovered (although nobody there found anything in the case, except their own stupidity) by foreign conspiracy theorists. But this is not so important.
The information persistently rubbed into us is not true, because this checkered background does not serve for the stated purposes, if only people from the TV channel do not know about it.
This is a screen for experiments. Against his background, a series of experiments was recorded (unfortunately, Pavel did not find them), which are available to everyone, and as you can see without changing the background. Yes, the screen is used to fix the trajectories of objects, and in the end, this is what happens.
One of the secret videos
Video with water in zero gravity, this is a completely different video.
The statement at 14:17 about experts and 100% coincidence cannot be called an outright lie. If you see a 100% match between these two videos, and you think that the second is a consequence of replacing the background and the ball, then congratulations, most likely you have big problems.
Based on the above facts, Pavel Sviridov brazenly lies.
All of Paul’s further comments on the ISS are of approximately the same value.
16:18
As you know, in our time RAW files are a measure of the reliability of images. On this site you can find thousands of RAW files shot on the ISS by astronauts. Although ... stop ... most likely these are fakes, there the Earth is rounded off ... well, okay ... I’ll leave a reference.
eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos
Further consider the words of the archaeologist regarding the reliability of the photo / video files do not see the point. He himself says that he does not understand.
16:30
Images may be for some reason and 1962, but we are talking about the Echo satellites . By the way, the satellites themselves were still launched on rockets, and already inflated in space.
18:10
In Brazil, not a satellite fell, but a stratospheric balloon for distributing the Internet of the Loon project from Google. On it, even the inscription was CONTACT PROJECT LOON RECOVERY TEAM, apparently for such cases.
Fallen satellite and the inscription.
Link to the project website: x.company/loon
Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Loon The
archaeologist again demonstrates himself completely unprepared.
19:22
I gave the link to the archive with the originals of the "rounded" Earth (and not only) from the ISS above.
20:10
Apparently, at Piccard, the list of such physicists ends, and the archive is an English-language Wikipedia article.
It is unlikely that Piccard lied about a flat disk, because from a height of 17,000 meters the rounding is insignificant (you can check it in the same simulator that I quoted above), the truth about the curved edges is not entirely clear, but let this be left to Piccard's conscience.
However, this does not make him a planer, nor does he become more scientists who did not doubt the plane of the Earth.
21:48
Map of the Bible Earth (in the real world). The map of what Orlando Ferguson saw (according to REN TV)
Quite comical. Especially considering that this is a map of the Bible Earth, and, accordingly, is nothing but a fiction, however, this should not be surprising, because in a conspiracy environment, it is customary to collect any trash and try to link it together. But talking about religion is not the time.
10 p.m.
Interestingly enough, the article itself writes that the original map was eaten up by worms, and the above is not quite what the Chinese allegedly painted.
Indeed, the Earth does not look like a ball, however, like on all maps. But I could not find a snapshot of the original map, apparently, his worms were still eaten, or the dog ate.
22:22
Of course, the criteria of formality are interesting. The astrologer claims that they swam, traveled, used in navigation. Amazing facts, especially when you do not know what a map projection is.
22:40
Gleason map
In fact, the map itself is a map in the azimuthal projection we are already familiar with. Apparently, the azimuthal projection is a priori a criterion for the plane of conspiracy theorists. I would like to look at a map on which the Earth is not flat, if we speak the language of REN TV.
They insistently rub us on that travelers were guided by it. Yes, on a map that doesn’t even have scale. The scale below only shows the ratio of land and nautical miles, as well as the correspondence of minutes and degrees of longitude to minutes of solar time.
It's funny enough that the map itself says that it uses projection, and is not just a direct, undistorted display of the plane. It is a pity Alexander was embarrassed to indicate the true type of projection.
Everything is even funnier after perusing the patent of this card www.google.ru/patents/US497917
23:13 The part that nobody repeated the experiment of Cavendish is completely incomprehensible.
But the values of the gravitational constant are periodically updated.
Source: Wikipedia
24:43 We are completely slipping into frank game and begin to broadcast about the dome.
25:35
In fact, they show us, then the trace after the launch of the rocket, then the clouds. But we have an astrologer and a landowner Pavel, in whom these anomalies are caused by a malfunction of the dome.
Again we do not get any proofs from the screen, or more or less adequate argumentation. But for an audience waiting to open a portal or repair a dome, it will do. And to prove that these are the consequences of missile launches is tantamount to trying to prove to a patient in a special institution that Comrade Stalin does not communicate with him through a power outlet.
26:50
The view of the winter sky differs from the summer one just in the configuration of the constellations (the configurations of stars in them are unchanged). Ursa Major, by the way, visually changes the slope not only during the year, but also during the night due to the daily rotation of the Earth.
During the year, the view of the sky changes due to the rotation of the Earth around the Sun. In winter and summer, the Sun is visually located in opposite places on thedome of the celestial sphere, therefore in winter at night we see constellations that were not visible in summer, because they only opened our eyes during the day, but for obvious reasons, we could not observe them. It is worth mentioning the non-passing constellations. However ... here I am approaching Comrade Stalin and it is time to stop.
But the words about the change in the ratio of the angle with respect to the Sun, this is not the best explanation, in my opinion, from the candidate of science.
It would be better if we were told about the realization of the form of the sky in the theory of a flat Earth with regards to the southern hemisphere and about the southern constellations. Well, about the moon in a model of a flat earth.
As you can see, the transmission itself, as well as the statements of experts in an ever greater fantasy and nonsense. But you have to endure.
27:10
In fact, everything is simpler.
In this speech, Hillary Clinton speaks of a “glass ceiling”, an expression meaning a certain obstacle restricting the career growth of women, for reasons not related to their professional qualities.
Speaking of women, in general terms, she said that she knew that they had not yet broken this high and strong “glass ceiling”, but someday someone could, and she hopes that this will happen soon.
Some people in the audience even laughed at this moment, perhaps because it sounded twofold, but not because of Hillary’s secret knowledge, but because he could raise his head in the hall in which the performance was taking place (Jacob Javits Center) see it
28:43
In fact, the videos used are amateur rocket launches, whose attitude to the flat-earths is as controversial as the attitude of the “experts” in this program to scientists. Here you can find these missiles:
ddeville.com/rockets.htm
www.youtube.com/channel/UC2o0nOb-FvyvMkcsO9tYDAA
Glory to Science, although they talked about de-spin, but to preserve the intrigue they mentioned that it was not the fact that he was there was used.
29:55
The official explanation of the "researchers", of course, does not suit.
30:48
He himself came up with, he himself refuted - the whole essence of cospirology.
32:00
Unfortunately, I did not meet such information to judge the veracity or falsity, and REN TV and the archaeologist do not give us accurate data.
32:38
I advise specialists to study:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eventeen_Sun__Sun_cycle
33:09
On this topic, I was able to find such data: the weight of the lunar spacesuit on Earth is 90 kg. The weight of Leonov’s spacesuit is 20 kg + a satchel of 21 kg.
35:31 Once again, the revelation of a "NASA employee." There is no point in considering.
36:03
And yes, the experiments actually demonstrated cannot be iron proof of the Earth's rotation, because they are carried out in artisanal conditions. In addition, there is indeed an element of a certain trick.
In general, in my opinion, it is not even ruled out that the role of the Coriolis force in experiments of this scale is extremely small in comparison with other influence factors. Among other things, laboratory studies of this kind were also carried out, the recordings of which were included in a series of educational films on hydromechanics.
Vorticity (1 of 2)
Vorticity (2 of 2)
web.mit.edu/hml/ncfmf/09VOR.pdf
Yes, and with regard to the twisting of something in different hemispheres due to the rotation of the Earth, it is worth mentioning more extensive turbulence, namely the rotation of atmospheric vortices in different hemispheres.
The following is a very boring part about Antarctica, full of water and conjectures of the plan “I came up with it myself, refuted it”, not backed up by any more or less serious arguments, therefore I will consider it partially and superficially.
40:22
I didn’t meet Antarctica from the Martian surface, only from the near-Martian orbit (and then in quality, due to which such an image from conspiracy theorists immediately falls into the “fake” category), but google the 'Satellite imagery of Antarctica' to the “researchers” I advise ... although what I mean ... there are no pictures that coincide with the worldview of the "researchers", and accordingly, what is a real picture automatically becomes graphics. Again, I am failing.
40:45
Apparently ... we have to come to terms.
www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA00117
43:27
I did not know that astronauts make such discoveries. So it seems that the conditional screenwriter is uttering: “Astronomer ... astronaut ... what the hell is the difference? This is REN TV! ”
45:18
Thanks Igor!
Despite the fact that they did not want to mislead us, for 45 minutes we were told about things related to astronomy, physics, astronautics and cartography, two astrologers, one archaeologist, comedian healer andamateur physicist programmer.
It is clear that this is not news and the usual practice for REN TV, when things like those occurring in their programs when the pseudo-scientist or fitter writer fiction talks about particle physics and how they affect the density of the chair on Thursdays.
Yes, this is the level of REN TV content, which I tried to show on a concrete example in as much detail as I had patience (you can continue endlessly).
Unfortunately, this is a federal television channel. And this stream of truth is not controlled in any way, and besides, it is also encouraged, including TEFI prizes.
I thank those who endured to the end.
→ YouTube program release
Written here, of course, will not come as a surprise to most readers, because the name of the channel itself has long been a meme, but still I decided to analyze this issue in detail, given that at the moment there are too many people who have succumbed to the influence of such a sect-like phenomenon as the theory of a flat earth in the 21st century for various reasons.
And it should be especially noted that the aggravation began long before memes with a schoolboy.
Also, contrary to popular belief, most adherents of the theory of a flat Earth are not trolls, everything is much sadder.
Before proceeding to a detailed analysis of this masterpiece, based on a comparison of the information and my personal understanding of the topics under discussion, I propose to get acquainted with the actors who will educate us throughout the program.
First, get acquainted with the Russian researchers invited to the broadcast.
We will get to know the rest in the process.
1. Pavel Sviridov
According to REN TV:
- Scientist / Candidate of Technical Sciences
In the real world:
- An astrologer, a landowner, a conspiracy theorist (also, perhaps, really a candidate of technical and legal sciences and a colonel).
Pavel Sviridov, perhaps, really is a candidate of technical sciences. So, at least, it is written on his own site, but there is no data on his scientific activity.
2. Vadim Shegalov
According to REN TV:
- Archaeologist / Scientist
In the real world:
- ???
Unfortunately, nothing was found about the archaeological activities of Vadim. In general, there is very little information about this person on the network, but judging by his VK page, if she is not fake, then he is apparently a fan of Diana Shurygina, as well as conspiracy theories.
3. Andrey Bukharin
According to REN TV:
- The popularizer of
falsescience
In the real world:
- Astrologer
I could not find evidence of Andrei’s activity as a popularizer of science. The main activity is astrology.
As you can see, the kind of activity of these characters promises us full competence, an adequate assessment and reasonably logical reasoning in areas to which they are not related.
About time codes
I warn you in advance that time codes may be a little inaccurate, and some things may not be considered, because the endless stream of delirium of truth was doing its job, well, or it sounded too pointless to even refute it or somehow consider it.
Screensaver.
Go!
0:43
A voiceover speaks of the shocking revelation of a NASA employee! The video shows us the current head of the Juno mission - Scott Bolton, but this is not the worst.
The head of the Juno mission is Scott Bolton.
1:24
We are shown an ancient, mysterious video on which, as they try to convey to us, a former NASA employee named Matthew Boylan, who was forced to make spherical out of images of a flat Earth.
Former NASA employee, medicine man, carpenter, doctor, engineer, architect, and just comedian Matt Boylan.
In fact, the attitude of the person in the frame to NASA is known only from his words. There is no reliable evidence that he is a former NASA employee (at least, I could not find those). But I managed to find performances as a stand-up comedian.
Also, according to information from the network, he also positions himself as a composer, chemist, herbal medicine consultant, engineer, architect, interior designer, carpenter, portrait painter, doctor, scientist, political expert and historian.
It’s more like a resume of some talk show regulars on our television, or a resume of another “expert” with REN TV.
Accordingly, I will not consider this part of the program about his revelations in detail for lack of semantic load.
ten past three
From now on, the person in the frame named David Murphy will be called a scientist, although the caption says that he is supposedly just an amateur physicist.
Dave Murphy There is information that he started as a graphic designer, animator and programmer, and ends as a conspiracy theorist. He
himself calls himself a former researcher (in a letter to Neil Degrass Tyson), but there is no relation to any scientific field in his biography. Yes, and an amateur physicist, this is probably the physicist who denies the existence of gravity, and does not understand how and why planes fly.
It's funny enough that in this program we are offered the opinion of some people, supposedly from science. In fact, there is no information about their scientific activities. Nuuuu ... or the matrix blocked me Google.
4:58
We are told that artillery does not take into account the curvature of the Earth
I’m not competent enough in ballistics, apparently, therefore, I am not invited to REN TV as an expert, but the data found contradicts the statements in the program. Artillery apparently still sometimes takes into account the curvature of the Earth. It is celebrated in the English article on Wikipedia. If for some people the Wikipedia article is not a source to be trusted, then similar information regarding accounting for Earth curvature is also found in some other sources. You can also get acquainted with the data regarding the accounting for the Earth's rounding in ballistics, for example, in this book starting on page 493:
Screenshot from the book Exterior Ballistics
In general, as I understand it, this is a minor factor affecting accuracy, because there are more significant factors of influence.
5:33
It is said that some scientists (apparently, our characters) explain that all calculations on the ballistics of bombing are done taking into account the fact that the Earth is flat and motionless.
It's a lie.
This manual from the official website of the US Marine Corps contains a description of the effects that affect, as well as adjustment tables due to the rotation of the Earth:
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/mcwp3_16_4.pdf
It’s also been worth reading “Basics of bombing » To the end, and not tear out the words out of context.
From page 180, a fascinating acquaintance begins with what is not available according to REN TV and the flat-earths.
5:53
The archaeologist says that he was on the Uyuni solonchak and saw that at least the Earth was flat there.
Yes, it’s relatively flat, only the natural rounding of the Earth, even on the salt marsh, has not been canceled, but we don’t provide evidence to the contrary.
By the way, there is an article from Nature magazine, including one that says that the salt marsh is not so flat, although the differences in height are insignificant.
www.nature.com/news/2007/071130/full/news.2007.315.html
6:47 a.m.
We are talking about Chicago, which is visible from a distance of 140 km, and should have descended 1.5 kilometers beyond the horizon due to the curvature of the Earth. A person with the title “Popularizer of Science” is actually again an astrologer and thus, apparently, does not popularize science, but pseudoscience. Sitting and laughing at a mirage. But the one who laughs last laughs well. In addition, the footage perfectly demonstrates how the lower part of the skyscrapers hid behind the horizon, obviously not from behind the plane of the Earth. Though well done here.
As you can see, the Earth is really flat, because the foundations of the buildings are not visible. Although ... it is possible that part of the city is underwater.
We are not given any facts in favor of the reality of the distance of 140 km from which the survey was carried out, nor are there any data on the height of the observer and weather conditions.
And it’s not a fact that shooting in the REN TV video sequence was positioned in the midst of flat-land users.
But try to find these shootings of Chicago from 140 km. What are they talking about? Googling, I came to the conclusion that this photo is meant. This was stated by a lonely post on Picaba (strange, such an epic shooting worthy of mention on TV, but in fact a photo that someone called so).
Photo of Chicago allegedly from 140km. As we see the mirage is still present.
But, finding real data was not difficult. The author’s Facebook published time-laps that contains this frame.
The location is - Warren Dunes State Park.
Check the distance from there to the skyscrapers. It turns out something about 86 km. Ok, round off. Let it be 90 km.
There is a simulation of Chicago's visibility on a spherical Earth, in which you can choose the distance, height of the observer, etc., if desired, refraction can also be used in the simulation (it is responsible for the mirage).
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat-Earth%3A+Finding+the+curvature+of+the+Earth
By the way, in the park from which there was a survey there are several rather high sand dunes, the highest of which reaches a height of 73 meters. In the description of the video, the author wrote that it was taken from the top of the dune (but not the fact that this particular one).
The highest point of Warren Dunes State Park.
So let's get on it virtually and climb up! And since we climbed high, and not the fact that we shot it from this dune, we sacrifice a mirage and set standard refraction.
We get this view:
Simulation of the city view (the height of the tallest tower in Chicago was taken into account), from a distance of 90 km, a height of 73 meters, with standard refraction and a focal length of the lens 500 mm (the larger, the larger the city). On the right is the spherical Earth. On the left is flat.
As you can see, Chicago can be observed from such a distance on a spherical Earth with the help of optics (the author said that from the top of the dune under the right weather conditions everything is visible without the help of a camera). Moreover, we did not resort to strong refraction as in the photo, and the exact terrain was not taken into account either. buildings can be located on a hill. You can spin the simulation yourself, and “raise” the city even higher.
Perhaps, under special weather conditions, and even from a great height, it will be possible to see the tops of skyscrapers from 140 km away. But REN TV didn’t show us the shooting from 140 km, and the flat-land planners, as I understand it, “feed” on this particular photo with 90 km. And since we do not have data for simulation, we will not invent it. Anyway, masons came up with simulations.
I completely forgot ...
ha ha ha
7:11 a.m.
We are talking about the curvature in the pictures due to special shooting equipment.
Further! ARCHAEOLOGIST! talks about photographic equipment, a fisheye lens, and that with a regular lens you will never see any curvature.
Rounding is visible from very high heights, but it is weakly expressed in the images. To make sure of this, the simulation will help us again . You can simulate the desired type of optics and height, thereby checking the rounding. Even on those shootings where at first glance the horizon looks flat, in fact it is not.
The video arguments of flatteners from the Internet become convex when compressed along the length. Of course, no one has canceled the distortion, but to say that the bulge is a plane is stupid enough, especially considering that even without compression, the horizon sometimes does not look even in such videos.
Examples from the video from the Union and the stratospheric jump are also incorrect, because the optics used, and indeed the space that the Earth occupies in the frame, do not allow to visually evaluate the rounding due to the large radius of the Earth. Moreover, in one of the frames of the video of the stratospheric jump, the Earth looks more concave than flat in general (an excellent move is to talk about distortions of optics and give frames as distortions, but the opposite).
9 a.m.
"Scientist" Dave Murphy calls on NASA to show the Earth live with the Hubble telescope.
Apparently, this "scientist" is not aware that the Hubble telescope is not equipped with equipment that allows broadcasting live.
Regarding the impossibility of shooting the Earth with this telescope, there is an official statement for everyone who does not particularly understand the photography and the capabilities of various spacecraft.
hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=78&cat=topten
The minimum exposure time of the Hubble telescope is 0.1 second. During this time, the telescope moves 700 meters relative to the planet, respectively, all images will be blurred. Obviously, such a survey is completely impractical.
9:23
Murphy through the REN TV channel talks about the different proportions of the Earth from the moon in NASA images. The following are examples of various shots.
This is about the same weight category of nonsense as the surprise that the Moon taken from the Earth to the phone’s camera doesn’t look very impressive, unlike shooting with telephoto lenses.
I think REN TV operators understand why this happens better than Murphy and the “scientists”, however, like every sane person familiar with photo / video equipment. Accordingly, here - complete ignorance and incompetence on the part of the "scientist".
Just leave it here.
As an example, at 9:38, we are shown a picture of Lunar Orbiter 1, comparing it with a picture from the lunar surface and a picture from the lunar orbit.
This effect is very well explained here .
10:03
For some reason, the archaeologist again assumes the responsibility of discussing photographic equipment, but although he says the right things with regard to orbits and focal lengths, these explanations do not suit him, because apparently do not coincide with his worldview. He also cites the example of differences in the proportions of continents in some images of the Earth from space.
Again, here the complete incompetence of the archaeologist in this matter, it is no longer surprising. This effect is perfectly demonstrated in this video using an example of a globe, and depends on the same focal length and distance to the object.
Moreover, a fairly well-known image of the Earth , on which America visually occupies a larger area than we are used to seeing, is a composite image obtained from a fairly close distance in space standards. I will not consider it deeper, because REN TV did not show us it.
11:27
Igor Prokopenko says astronomers are warning that a meteorite the size of half the Earth is flying toward our planet.
Apparently, Igor Prokopenko is not from our planet because:
- A meteorite is already a fallen body.
- Astronomers did not warn about this, because meteorite does not fly.
Igor Prokopenko says: “Where is the truth?” The truth is clearly not in his speech. Not distinguishing an asteroid from a meteorite is somehow quite weak for the owner of TEFI as the country's main enlightener.
12:23
According to REN TV, the astrologer / candidate of technical sciences Pavel Sviridov claims that the Earth is flat and its real map looks like it is shown at 12:32.
That same card.
This map is a polar azimuthal projection, namely, a scan of a sphere with a north pole in the center. It has terrible distortions in the southern regions. Distortions can be estimated on a similar projection, but calculated having the south pole in the center instead of the north one on the map which Paul follows.
Polar azimuthal projection with the south pole in the center. The habitual territories of the northern hemisphere (in the real world) are distorted in exactly the same way as the southern ones on the “map of land plowers”. Flat-land owners from the southern hemisphere will definitely like it.
Both cards, of course, are real maps of the Earth, but none of them confirms the plane of our planet, just like a star-shaped map does not mean that our planet is actually star-shaped, and the evil Masonic-Illuminati Sinoists hide this .
Berghaus' star-shaped projection It is
noteworthy that this kind of projection
should be noted that distortions on the same azimuthal projection, of course, disappear when projected back onto the sphere.
A clear demonstration of the distortion of the azimuthal projection.
In general, a disastrous opinion as a candidate of science is enough, isn't it?
12:36
Непонятна связь между картой и гипотезой Павла. Далее демонстрируется видео с Бушем-старшим в коляске и космонавтом на фоне «использующимся в киноиндустрии». Нам говорят, что Павел Свиридов обнаружил данную особенность.
J. Bush Sr. behind whom the astronaut on a checkered background is visible on the screen.
As far as I know, for the first time this was discovered (although nobody there found anything in the case, except their own stupidity) by foreign conspiracy theorists. But this is not so important.
The information persistently rubbed into us is not true, because this checkered background does not serve for the stated purposes, if only people from the TV channel do not know about it.
This is a screen for experiments. Against his background, a series of experiments was recorded (unfortunately, Pavel did not find them), which are available to everyone, and as you can see without changing the background. Yes, the screen is used to fix the trajectories of objects, and in the end, this is what happens.
One of the secret videos
Video with water in zero gravity, this is a completely different video.
The statement at 14:17 about experts and 100% coincidence cannot be called an outright lie. If you see a 100% match between these two videos, and you think that the second is a consequence of replacing the background and the ball, then congratulations, most likely you have big problems.
Based on the above facts, Pavel Sviridov brazenly lies.
All of Paul’s further comments on the ISS are of approximately the same value.
16:18
For some reason, the archaeologist again acts as a person who judges the authenticity of something based on his own perception. In this case, the authenticity of images from the ISS.
As you know, in our time RAW files are a measure of the reliability of images. On this site you can find thousands of RAW files shot on the ISS by astronauts. Although ... stop ... most likely these are fakes, there the Earth is rounded off ... well, okay ... I’ll leave a reference.
eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos
Further consider the words of the archaeologist regarding the reliability of the photo / video files do not see the point. He himself says that he does not understand.
16:30
We are shown unique shots with satellite-balloons, which miraculously rose to a height of 4 times the orbit of the ISS, etc.
Images may be for some reason and 1962, but we are talking about the Echo satellites . By the way, the satellites themselves were still launched on rockets, and already inflated in space.
18:10
The same archaeologist talks about the fall of a satellite in a balloon in Brazil.
In Brazil, not a satellite fell, but a stratospheric balloon for distributing the Internet of the Loon project from Google. On it, even the inscription was CONTACT PROJECT LOON RECOVERY TEAM, apparently for such cases.
Fallen satellite and the inscription.
Link to the project website: x.company/loon
Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Loon The
archaeologist again demonstrates himself completely unprepared.
19:22
The archaeologist says that perhaps they (space organizations) do not have originals.
I gave the link to the archive with the originals of the "rounded" Earth (and not only) from the ISS above.
20:10
The archaeologist claims that as early as the 20th century, it was possible to find scientific physicists with world names who did not doubt that the Earth was flat. As an example, we are quoted by Auguste Piccard that, from a height of 17,000 meters, the Earth seemed like a flat disk with curved edges. The archaeologist read it in the archives.
Apparently, at Piccard, the list of such physicists ends, and the archive is an English-language Wikipedia article.
It is unlikely that Piccard lied about a flat disk, because from a height of 17,000 meters the rounding is insignificant (you can check it in the same simulator that I quoted above), the truth about the curved edges is not entirely clear, but let this be left to Piccard's conscience.
However, this does not make him a planer, nor does he become more scientists who did not doubt the plane of the Earth.
21:48
They show us a map of Orlando Ferguson, saying that this is what Piccard saw. Quote! "The earth on it is flat, with curved edges."
Map of the Bible Earth (in the real world). The map of what Orlando Ferguson saw (according to REN TV)
Quite comical. Especially considering that this is a map of the Bible Earth, and, accordingly, is nothing but a fiction, however, this should not be surprising, because in a conspiracy environment, it is customary to collect any trash and try to link it together. But talking about religion is not the time.
10 p.m.
Further we are shown, apparently, a very serious and reliable source with a Chinese world map made allegedly 10 centuries ago. We are told that the Earth on this map ... is again flat.
Interestingly enough, the article itself writes that the original map was eaten up by worms, and the above is not quite what the Chinese allegedly painted.
Indeed, the Earth does not look like a ball, however, like on all maps. But I could not find a snapshot of the original map, apparently, his worms were still eaten, or the dog ate.
22:22
The popularizer ofastrology and falsescience tells us about 19th-century USA maps, where? hemispheric? Earth is the official map of the world.
Of course, the criteria of formality are interesting. The astrologer claims that they swam, traveled, used in navigation. Amazing facts, especially when you do not know what a map projection is.
22:40
And here she is, the map of Alexander Gleason, and again the voiceover says that the Earth is flat on it (how do they do it?).
Gleason map
In fact, the map itself is a map in the azimuthal projection we are already familiar with. Apparently, the azimuthal projection is a priori a criterion for the plane of conspiracy theorists. I would like to look at a map on which the Earth is not flat, if we speak the language of REN TV.
They insistently rub us on that travelers were guided by it. Yes, on a map that doesn’t even have scale. The scale below only shows the ratio of land and nautical miles, as well as the correspondence of minutes and degrees of longitude to minutes of solar time.
It's funny enough that the map itself says that it uses projection, and is not just a direct, undistorted display of the plane. It is a pity Alexander was embarrassed to indicate the true type of projection.
Everything is even funnier after perusing the patent of this card www.google.ru/patents/US497917
23:13 The part that nobody repeated the experiment of Cavendish is completely incomprehensible.
But the values of the gravitational constant are periodically updated.
Source: Wikipedia
24:43 We are completely slipping into frank game and begin to broadcast about the dome.
25:35
We are told about a phenomenon frightening thenatives. Key phrase from the announcer: “It is impossible to explain this from the point of view of science, scientists say,” etc.
In fact, they show us, then the trace after the launch of the rocket, then the clouds. But we have an astrologer and a landowner Pavel, in whom these anomalies are caused by a malfunction of the dome.
Sometimes it happens
More recently, in the circles of adepts of alternative science and other flat spirosciology, there was a panic over the test launch of the RS-12M Topol intercontinental ballistic missile from the Kapustin Yar firing range.
Judging by this, disruptions in the work of the dome from the flat-land owners periodically occur, respectively, such opinions are not surprising. But not from the screen of the federal television channel?
Judging by this, disruptions in the work of the dome from the flat-land owners periodically occur, respectively, such opinions are not surprising. But not from the screen of the federal television channel?
Again we do not get any proofs from the screen, or more or less adequate argumentation. But for an audience waiting to open a portal or repair a dome, it will do. And to prove that these are the consequences of missile launches is tantamount to trying to prove to a patient in a special institution that Comrade Stalin does not communicate with him through a power outlet.
26:50
Астролог рассказывает нам о вращении купола, которое приводит к изменению вида неба в зависимости от сезона.
Он говорит о том, что зимой и летом мы видим привычные конфигурации наших звезд, но только они немножко меняются — «хвост большой медведицы ээээ там она то перевернутый ковшик, то такой… это понятно». Павел говорит, что это происходит из-за изменения соотношения угла по отношению к Солнцу.
The view of the winter sky differs from the summer one just in the configuration of the constellations (the configurations of stars in them are unchanged). Ursa Major, by the way, visually changes the slope not only during the year, but also during the night due to the daily rotation of the Earth.
During the year, the view of the sky changes due to the rotation of the Earth around the Sun. In winter and summer, the Sun is visually located in opposite places on the
But the words about the change in the ratio of the angle with respect to the Sun, this is not the best explanation, in my opinion, from the candidate of science.
It would be better if we were told about the realization of the form of the sky in the theory of a flat Earth with regards to the southern hemisphere and about the southern constellations. Well, about the moon in a model of a flat earth.
As you can see, the transmission itself, as well as the statements of experts in an ever greater fantasy and nonsense. But you have to endure.
27:10
А вот и религию подвезли. Логично ли называть Библию одним из самых древнейших текстов на Земле уже и не знаю. Нам рассказывают о тверди небесной. Популяризатор астрологии илженауки Андрей Бухарин считает, что в библии подразумевается то, что человечеству нужно пробить тот самый купол, об этом говорит и Хиллари Клинтон. Но чем дальше, тем больше наши «эксперты» пробивают дно и вот на 28:02 Андрей рассказывает о том, что Хиллари угрожает пробить стеклянный купол (видимо, Хиллари обладает тайными библейскими знаниями)
In fact, everything is simpler.
In this speech, Hillary Clinton speaks of a “glass ceiling”, an expression meaning a certain obstacle restricting the career growth of women, for reasons not related to their professional qualities.
Speaking of women, in general terms, she said that she knew that they had not yet broken this high and strong “glass ceiling”, but someday someone could, and she hopes that this will happen soon.
Some people in the audience even laughed at this moment, perhaps because it sounded twofold, but not because of Hillary’s secret knowledge, but because he could raise his head in the hall in which the performance was taking place (Jacob Javits Center) see it
28:43
We are told about the problem in the form of missiles. How do they cope with the dome, and do they cope at all? Then we are shown the launch of an amateurish rocket (according to REN TV by Western flat-earths). From 28:54 there is a video insert with the launch of the rocket by the flat-earth workers.
In fact, the videos used are amateur rocket launches, whose attitude to the flat-earths is as controversial as the attitude of the “experts” in this program to scientists. Here you can find these missiles:
ddeville.com/rockets.htm
www.youtube.com/channel/UC2o0nOb-FvyvMkcsO9tYDAA
Glory to Science, although they talked about de-spin, but to preserve the intrigue they mentioned that it was not the fact that he was there was used.
29:55
Amazing The rocket does not fly vertically!
The official explanation of the "researchers", of course, does not suit.
30:48
One of the YouTube activists is surprised that computer graphics are passed off as computer graphics, but it seems to him that he was deceived.
He himself came up with, he himself refuted - the whole essence of cospirology.
32:00
The archaeologist says a statement by a NASA employee regarding the fact that the Van Allen belt has not yet been overcome.
Unfortunately, I did not meet such information to judge the veracity or falsity, and REN TV and the archaeologist do not give us accurate data.
32:38
They tell us about NASA's assurances that the astronauts went to the moon during the Solar minimum (although they don’t tell us what kind of flight they are talking about), but some independent experts say that it is impossible to predict such a thing even for the next 24 hours.
I advise specialists to study:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eventeen_Sun__Sun_cycle
33:09
Reflections on the weight of the spacesuits. They talk about light spacesuits among astronauts and Leonov’s heavy spacesuit.
On this topic, I was able to find such data: the weight of the lunar spacesuit on Earth is 90 kg. The weight of Leonov’s spacesuit is 20 kg + a satchel of 21 kg.
35:31 Once again, the revelation of a "NASA employee." There is no point in considering.
36:03
They talk about experiments with spinning water in different hemispheres due to the Coriolis force, which confirm that the Earth rotates, but Maxim Belyaev says that the experiments are not correct.
And yes, the experiments actually demonstrated cannot be iron proof of the Earth's rotation, because they are carried out in artisanal conditions. In addition, there is indeed an element of a certain trick.
In general, in my opinion, it is not even ruled out that the role of the Coriolis force in experiments of this scale is extremely small in comparison with other influence factors. Among other things, laboratory studies of this kind were also carried out, the recordings of which were included in a series of educational films on hydromechanics.
Vorticity (1 of 2)
Vorticity (2 of 2)
web.mit.edu/hml/ncfmf/09VOR.pdf
Yes, and with regard to the twisting of something in different hemispheres due to the rotation of the Earth, it is worth mentioning more extensive turbulence, namely the rotation of atmospheric vortices in different hemispheres.
The following is a very boring part about Antarctica, full of water and conjectures of the plan “I came up with it myself, refuted it”, not backed up by any more or less serious arguments, therefore I will consider it partially and superficially.
40:22
"Researchers" say that there is not a single public image of Antarctica from space. Exist only from the moon and Martian surface.
I didn’t meet Antarctica from the Martian surface, only from the near-Martian orbit (and then in quality, due to which such an image from conspiracy theorists immediately falls into the “fake” category), but google the 'Satellite imagery of Antarctica' to the “researchers” I advise ... although what I mean ... there are no pictures that coincide with the worldview of the "researchers", and accordingly, what is a real picture automatically becomes graphics. Again, I am failing.
40:45
The archaeologist says that in the public domain you will not find anything.
Apparently ... we have to come to terms.
www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA00117
43:27
We are told that in 2017 a group of astronauts reported the discovery of flat planets.
I did not know that astronauts make such discoveries. So it seems that the conditional screenwriter is uttering: “Astronomer ... astronaut ... what the hell is the difference? This is REN TV! ”
45:18
Igor Prokopenko asks not to be offended, and says that they did not want to mislead us.
Thanks Igor!
Despite the fact that they did not want to mislead us, for 45 minutes we were told about things related to astronomy, physics, astronautics and cartography, two astrologers, one archaeologist, comedian healer and
It is clear that this is not news and the usual practice for REN TV, when things like those occurring in their programs when the pseudo-scientist or fitter writer fiction talks about particle physics and how they affect the density of the chair on Thursdays.
Yes, this is the level of REN TV content, which I tried to show on a concrete example in as much detail as I had patience (you can continue endlessly).
Unfortunately, this is a federal television channel. And this stream of truth is not controlled in any way, and besides, it is also encouraged, including TEFI prizes.
PS
Perhaps my psyche was damaged during the viewing process, and I misled you.
I thank those who endured to the end.