January 16, 2012 at 14:58Lovers of open source ERP systems dedicated
There are such people, they love to repair cars. They buy, and then they always repair something there. They will always find what to fix there. And then this car simply stops driving from these “fixes”. And the sufferer is towed to the service. In intensive care, so to speak.
Open source ERP systems also like about the same "coolies." Well, here they love the process of "creation" itself and that’s it.
The other day, a letter from one such lover of digging around received a corporate email. This letter is nothing but a reaction to this video (more precisely, to the upper video. The lower one was later recorded), where I explain to my managers what an open source ERP system is and how it all ends, as a rule.
Here is the text of a letter from an offended admirer of open source (punctuation and spelling errors are preserved):
“Dear, compare the turnover of your company with the turnover of OpenERP, and then try to understand that there are different business schemes. Open source and its support is the best advertisement. The customer is always right. He wants to run around the minefield, let him run. One out of a hundred runs, the rest will go to the doctor, i.e. return the money. "
"Dear" - this is apparently me.
No, well, honestly, even funny. What hurt the poor man so much? The fact that I have an opinion on this?
Now, seriously. Let's figure it out in public.
Somehow I already wrote my opinion about one of the most popular open source erp systems.
Well, now let's deal with the next equally popular one.
The author suggests that I compare the speed of my companywith openerp revs. There is a problem. Because in Russia, apparently, the openerp momentum stubbornly strives for a zero mark. I just could not find a single company that would introduce this product in Russia. So where does the revolutions come from?
However, there is one . There, among the clients (or rather the client) in Russia, MegaTorch is indicated. And what coincidence is necessary - on March 20, 2011 this company turned to us ... Apparently not from a good life with OpenERP. Contacted in writing, if that. So the letter to the editor, as they say, is available.
Yes, there you go. There, right on the main page, something like a review of the functional. Here do not be lazy, cry. Actually, it all comes down to phrases like:
“Integration with sales, point of sale, and discount campaign. Managing the purchase price and sale price ”
Of course, asking how this all happens is not worth it. Because this, apparently, is not entirely known.
But when we describe the functionality, for some reason we make links to the instructions from the theses where it is written exactly how this is done. Or maybe you just need water too? SUCH, you know, you can pour ...
I tried to find information about real implementations. Well, what the hell is not joking, suddenly I find?
Have not found. Maybe somehow not looking. If anyone knows, write in a personal, I’m not too lazy, I’ll call (come) there. Damn interesting to see it.
Only there is a nuance. It is necessary to determine the concept of "implemented." Implemented, this means:
- the company receives from this system such primary documents as an invoice, invoice, bidding-12, ttn. Well, at least these. And also conducts all contractual activities.
- all financial statements about the real state of affairs (in a mode close to online) in the company are also received by the management from this system. That is, "profit and loss", "cash flow", "balance sheet indicators." The control of these reports says that everything is OK with the implementation.
At least these two requirements are to be satisfied, and there will already be something to discuss (see).
And introductions like “we've muddied and muddied placing orders for half a year” are of course waufff, but let us leave this for discussion of the “kulibins” among themselves in the smoking room.
So who needs Open Sorce ERP systems in Russia?
I think that they are needed by those who:
- damn love experiments. Moreover, it is desirable without risk for your own wallet. Those who like to "stir up so that", then to screw something cool on some forum. Or even put a piece of source there with great pride. It’s wonderful when you “saw” and “cut” something there, and they also pay you a salary. The boss is at risk.
- He thinks that having implemented an open sorce ERP system, he will be very independent. Can I ask you then? Who is independent from? From the manufacturer? Yes, I agree. But what about the dependence on the “kulibin”, who can get bored of all this at some point and decides to change his job?
- thinks it's cheap. For some reason, they do not consider it necessary to add to the cost of the project the salary of “kulibin” (or maybe not one), which will always have to be paid, regardless of whether he will do something or not.
You can still argue a lot on this topic. The best indicator is real implementations. Show me real implementations of such systems. About the implementation, which did not crumble with the dismissal of "Kulibin," I will not ask. And so everything is clear.
To understand why there are so few implementations of such systems in Russia, you just need to understand where they came from and for what reason. All such systems are Western. It's simple: in the West, classic ERP systems and their implementation are space-expensive. So an alternative appeared. But in Russia, the situation is a bit different. This is the first.
Secondly. The complexity of accounting and workflow in the West compared to Russia is just a children's sandbox. If you show our American invoice to an American businessman and tell him how GTE lines are split up there (after explaining to him what it is), tell him about all the difficulties with calculating VAT, then show him bidding-12 and show TTN to fix the nightmare then after this week he will have nightmares of horror. It’s just an order of magnitude easier for them.
Therefore, to “finish off” an open source ERP system to Russian realities is like to the moon.
Open source ERP systems also like about the same "coolies." Well, here they love the process of "creation" itself and that’s it.
The other day, a letter from one such lover of digging around received a corporate email. This letter is nothing but a reaction to this video (more precisely, to the upper video. The lower one was later recorded), where I explain to my managers what an open source ERP system is and how it all ends, as a rule.
Here is the text of a letter from an offended admirer of open source (punctuation and spelling errors are preserved):
“Dear, compare the turnover of your company with the turnover of OpenERP, and then try to understand that there are different business schemes. Open source and its support is the best advertisement. The customer is always right. He wants to run around the minefield, let him run. One out of a hundred runs, the rest will go to the doctor, i.e. return the money. "
"Dear" - this is apparently me.
No, well, honestly, even funny. What hurt the poor man so much? The fact that I have an opinion on this?
Now, seriously. Let's figure it out in public.
Somehow I already wrote my opinion about one of the most popular open source erp systems.
Well, now let's deal with the next equally popular one.
The author suggests that I compare the speed of my companywith openerp revs. There is a problem. Because in Russia, apparently, the openerp momentum stubbornly strives for a zero mark. I just could not find a single company that would introduce this product in Russia. So where does the revolutions come from?
However, there is one . There, among the clients (or rather the client) in Russia, MegaTorch is indicated. And what coincidence is necessary - on March 20, 2011 this company turned to us ... Apparently not from a good life with OpenERP. Contacted in writing, if that. So the letter to the editor, as they say, is available.
Yes, there you go. There, right on the main page, something like a review of the functional. Here do not be lazy, cry. Actually, it all comes down to phrases like:
“Integration with sales, point of sale, and discount campaign. Managing the purchase price and sale price ”
Of course, asking how this all happens is not worth it. Because this, apparently, is not entirely known.
But when we describe the functionality, for some reason we make links to the instructions from the theses where it is written exactly how this is done. Or maybe you just need water too? SUCH, you know, you can pour ...
I tried to find information about real implementations. Well, what the hell is not joking, suddenly I find?
Have not found. Maybe somehow not looking. If anyone knows, write in a personal, I’m not too lazy, I’ll call (come) there. Damn interesting to see it.
Only there is a nuance. It is necessary to determine the concept of "implemented." Implemented, this means:
- the company receives from this system such primary documents as an invoice, invoice, bidding-12, ttn. Well, at least these. And also conducts all contractual activities.
- all financial statements about the real state of affairs (in a mode close to online) in the company are also received by the management from this system. That is, "profit and loss", "cash flow", "balance sheet indicators." The control of these reports says that everything is OK with the implementation.
At least these two requirements are to be satisfied, and there will already be something to discuss (see).
And introductions like “we've muddied and muddied placing orders for half a year” are of course waufff, but let us leave this for discussion of the “kulibins” among themselves in the smoking room.
So who needs Open Sorce ERP systems in Russia?
I think that they are needed by those who:
- damn love experiments. Moreover, it is desirable without risk for your own wallet. Those who like to "stir up so that", then to screw something cool on some forum. Or even put a piece of source there with great pride. It’s wonderful when you “saw” and “cut” something there, and they also pay you a salary. The boss is at risk.
- He thinks that having implemented an open sorce ERP system, he will be very independent. Can I ask you then? Who is independent from? From the manufacturer? Yes, I agree. But what about the dependence on the “kulibin”, who can get bored of all this at some point and decides to change his job?
- thinks it's cheap. For some reason, they do not consider it necessary to add to the cost of the project the salary of “kulibin” (or maybe not one), which will always have to be paid, regardless of whether he will do something or not.
You can still argue a lot on this topic. The best indicator is real implementations. Show me real implementations of such systems. About the implementation, which did not crumble with the dismissal of "Kulibin," I will not ask. And so everything is clear.
To understand why there are so few implementations of such systems in Russia, you just need to understand where they came from and for what reason. All such systems are Western. It's simple: in the West, classic ERP systems and their implementation are space-expensive. So an alternative appeared. But in Russia, the situation is a bit different. This is the first.
Secondly. The complexity of accounting and workflow in the West compared to Russia is just a children's sandbox. If you show our American invoice to an American businessman and tell him how GTE lines are split up there (after explaining to him what it is), tell him about all the difficulties with calculating VAT, then show him bidding-12 and show TTN to fix the nightmare then after this week he will have nightmares of horror. It’s just an order of magnitude easier for them.
Therefore, to “finish off” an open source ERP system to Russian realities is like to the moon.